one in 175 million chance. >> it's a loser's game. >> oh, steve! >> steve, what are you saying? loser. willie, didn't you -- >> i did. >> interesting sidebar. i used to do advertising for publisher's clearinghouse. without exception the people that got the $25 million prize, which is still a lot of money, destroyed their lives. they quit their jobs. >> donny, there are a lot of people out there that would like to experience that. >> just give me the moment. >> donny is right. the whole thing of being removed from the people who you've lived with, who are your friends, neighborhood, your community, that amount of money takes you out of that. >> people i don't know who call themselves relatives calling me up saying, hey, can you help a brother out. >> notice how rattner and doich sort of poo-poo the lottery. for them, $500 million. >>> let's get to the fiscal cliff. politico has an exclusive report that president obama and house speaker boehner had a television conversation. politico characterizes it as, quote, kurt. he wants the white house to move his position on tax rates, but